Yelp: When Yelper's discuss health care. Hoo Boy.

This is the usual diarrhea of emotional "Well what's your idea?!" of panicky idiots.

Okay, all you Obama health care plan naysayers. Now is your time to actually make a valid point.

People who are pro healthcare reform have been saying that the systems available in France, Switzerland, and etc are better because of things like:

-Longer life expectancy
-Lower infant mortality rates
-Overall lower cost per person of healthcare
-No one is denied care

People who are against the Obama version of healthcare reform think that these countries' systems are somehow worse than what the US has now, despite the above listed evidence to the contrary. Okay, that's fine. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But, y'all need to be able to back it up. One thing we can all agree on is that the current system does NOT work and it needs to be reformed.

So, my question is: If France, Switzerland, and etc's health care systems are not good enough for you, then which country has the best health care system, in your opinion? Which country (or countries) do you Republicans think we should model our reform after?

For those who think that no country on the entire Earth has a health care system that is good enough for the US, then what the hell should we do then? Please answer this one with a super simplified version of your dream health care system, for the sake of quick reading. If we pick yours you can always expound upon it later with a full blown, many-thousands-of-pages policy.

And lastly, please stay on the topic questions and don't waste time nit-picking my wording. There are many other threads devoted to such subjects as who is or isn't denied health care in France, and whether Obama's plan can be called a reform or not, but this isn't the point here.

I repeat, the questions are directed at the anti-"socialist"-plan people, and they are thus: Which country has the best health care plan (all systems are flawed, pick the least flawed), and, if none, then post your ideas.

There's too much stupidity in the above post. I just wanted it to further exist in case the page gets deleted in the site's system. Instead of curing poverty, hunger, cancer, ALS, saving the whales, saving clean water or saving the earth from climate change it's saving all the those who can't afford (or just too lazy to do their own research on the services provided) health care. The only point the Rachel H., the poster that started the thread, listed I actually take interest in the cost. I do think the costs are rather absurd. The rest is too complex to get into.

All my family members and and most of my friends have healthcare. How, you may wonder? They either ARE union workers or held down jobs that had decent enough coverage. My uncle works for the state and total of both his children were $5 - it was the copay he paid when he went down to the insurance office for his youngest child. Those that graduated with me have full time jobs or have union jobs (teaching or construction). Some have health care plans through there corporate jobs. My aunt works two jobs (part-time) and due to this has 'okay' coverage (Aetna, though I'm not sure what exact plan).

I'm lucky because my siblings and I, before we found our current jobs, were on our parents health care plan, which was mighty awesome. Reflecting the times we needed urgent care and prescriptions and were graced with fine care, minimum co-pays and free doctors appointments (one of the many perks of being the child of a respected nurse) made me motivated to do well in school in hopes I too can find a job that made me privileged for such a health care plan.

Now how about those who aren't as lucky as you? I don't know. I'd say get a job(s) that offer decent enough health coverage. The rest is really up to genetics -- no heart disease, no thin veins, no high blood pressure, no cancer etc. Take care of yourself. Get your flu shot yearly. Medicaid is there if you're unemployed or fall below a a certain income line.

In the end find a good job that isn't a barista or an entertainer (if you get membership into SAG/AFTRA, which is union, then you should at least sleep at night). Seriously. If you manage to get become a professional athlete, like in the big leagues, then you're guarantee to rack up $4 million in less than seven years unless you're in the MLS (the average salary is around $200K) which should be enough to pay for most health care till you die.