Voting patterns: Catholic immigration is the "enemy."

I presume that poster "orson" is a non-Catholic or maybe is fallen away, or he's a Christian but non-denominational. I'll throw in the possibility he's a non-believer even. This type of conservative who is suspicious of Catholicism to a degree that "Catholicism is the enemy" is probably the most frustrating of the conservative type that I've come across, especially on sites like American Thinker. His issue with Pope Francis is understandable, but it's been a common characteristic of anti-Catholics on The Right to constantly bring up the religious figure to prove that the entire denomination has gone sour. He writes -

America can accept immigrants, of course. However, we face the largest tidal wave in history.
We the need them to spend time here, so that their offspring can learn American political and cultural values.

While it worked in the past, can it work with Marxist, American-hating teachers and profs today? Of course not.

About 10 years ago, those under 30 embraced American Exceptionalism by a healthy 70%. Today, that figure is around 50%.

American liberty will only survive via ‘time out’ on immigration and new citizenship. Followed by a revolution to undermine the corrupt educrat establishment.

A buddy of mine argues that the enemy of liberty is Catholic immigration. Look at California, Maryland, Massachusettes – all states with the highest percentage of Catholics…. And places most welcoming to socialism.

The reason? Probably the doctrine of Original Sin, which leads them to distrust other people, thus requiring FORCE of STATE to succor altruistic performance. People cannot be trusted to choose on their own, for them.

By contrast, Gordon Wood’s short history of the American Revolution points out that the Founders famous Deism and wide Renaissance reading were impossible for the common man to replicate. So, how were they moved to join the Revolution?

Because their pastors were imbued with the value of radical Protestantism – self-ownership, direct relationship with God, covenantal obligation and self-responsibility – all values missing from immigrants whose Latin culture produced the first Commie Pope in Francis.

Official statistics offer this exception to the rule – Nebraska!

It is also very high in percentage of Catholics, and yet is a loyalist to Republican right. Why? I’ve long puzzled over this genuine outlier.

Until I realized that this was a classic proof of early versus later immigration: Nebraska Catholics are dominated by German arrivals from late 19th and early 20th Centuries. Thier second and third generations became American by acculturation, and thus more conservative, unlike later arriving Catholics, eg, most obviously California.

What about Texas? Well, I’ve not got an answer for that, yet. Except that Mexican Catholics there both came earlier and long ago (pre-statehood), as well as more recently. And the answer probably lies somewhere in this division among migrants there.

He does have a point when it comes to Catholic immigrants who vote (D) because they've been told or even truly believe that (D)s are "for the middle class." These are low information voters. But then again so are many young teenager who could vote if of legal age would lean left. Another large demographic that votes (D) when it comes to social issues are college students.

Another poster, "snopercod," followed up -

Excellent post. I never thought much about the Catholic factor, but it makes sense. My late grandmother was soft spoken and never talked about politics. She did take me aside once and warn me about Catholics, though. She didn’t elaborate so I pretty much put it out of my mind.

 Maybe dear old grandma didn't understand Catholicism and she was of the Protestant bent, if she was anyway religious that is.

I agree with many things on the right but their evaluation of the Catholic Church is like I stepped into paranoia land. Basically everything is threatening America except, well, themselves.

"Michael Adams" entered the discussion and put a more reasonable perspective forth, yet he made crystal clear he wasn't a part of Catholicism -

Orson, I skipped down past your comments re:Roman Catholic immigrants, so some one may have covered this, but, Mexico is only about one third Roman Catholic. There are tons of Evangelicals and Pentecostals. Also, Texas has had a Mexican Baptist tradition for about a century. OTOH, Mexico has had a very authoritarian government for nearly a century, too, and that has a definite, strong influence on how Mexican immigrants and even second generation Mexican-Americans see things. AND, of course, importing poor and unskilled people is guaranteed to make them gravitate to the candidates who offer the most goodies.

BTW, I am most assuredly NOT a member of that denomination.

 Why the determined clarification, Adams?

Are these posters even Catholics? Maybe they view Catholicism as some Catholics view the Seventh Day Adventists: Sort of like a cult. Maybe they just think Catholicism is "big religion." Whatever the reason I can assuredly say they have a skewed vision of Catholicism; it's no doubt anti-Catholic in nature. It's not "disagree" it's "be weary of them." You'd think Catholics are extreme Muslims, or that Catholic immigrants are Middle Eastern immigrants flooding Europe. 

Catholicism are the like Jews of the world when it comes to religion. If it were a nation it would be Israel.

EDIT: "Orson" is an atheist.  In his words, "One fervently prays for it (and I’m an atheist)."